The Great Gregorian Calendar Conspiracy

One of the most interesting conspiracy theories of all time got started when Heribert Illig noticed a rather odd discrepancy in the explanation of the Gregorian Calendar.  The conspiracy theorists were certain that the Roman Catholic church had faked 300 years of history, and this became known as the Phantom Time Hypothesis.  On the surface they had some compelling facts on their side. 

 In the 1500’s, the Roman Catholic church noticed that Easter was occurring later and later in the spring over the centuries.  If something wasn’t done Easter was going to slide right into summer, and eventually the fall.  Something had to be done. 

The problem as it turned out was the Julian calendar.  It didn’t calculate leap years very well and was putting more in than was required.  So a new calendar system that did the calculations right was proposed.  Instead of leap years occurring every four years, they would occur every four years except for years ending in 00 like 1300, 1400, 1500 and so on.  That was actually too large a correction, so every four hundred years the new calendar would skip the skip…. meaning that when the century was divisible by 4, the leap year would not be skipped.  So in 1600 it was a leap year after all.  This stopped the drift, but by then Easter had slid a number of days.  It would have to be put back where it belonged.

So in 1582 Pope Gregory XIII ordered the implementation of the Gregorian Calender.  To put Easter back where it belonged he just shortened the year by 10 days.  The last day of the Julian calendar was October 4, 1582 and the first day of the Gregorian calendar was October 15, 1582.  As a result, Easter happened 10 days earlier the next year when compared to solar events like the spring equinox.  This of course created havoc for historians because some countries adopted the Gregorian calendar right away and others waited.  To correctly document historical events near the time of transition, the historian must determine which calendar the historical document is referring to. 

 But what set off the conspiracy theorists was the fact that 10 days wasn’t enough.  If you count all the leap years that would have been different between the Julian calendar and the Gregorian, it would take thirteen days to fix the problem, not 10.  What could the church have been up to?  Why would they go to the trouble of doing all that math, get a new calendar that matches the solar calendar within a few seconds, but then mess up a really easy calculation like that?  What were they trying to hide?

The theory went that the Roman Catholic church had just made up 300 years of history.  One theory ran that one pope wanted to be the pope of record for 1000 AD, so he got there by advancing the calendar 300 years.  Another theory ran that the church had created historical documents predicting future events, and when they didn’t happen they just made up the history to match the documents, stuck it in and claimed that the predictions had come true.  Some researchers even went so far as to examine record keeping in certain places to see if there were gaps in building and road construction of 300 years and they found some.

But alas for the conspiracy theorists, Gregory got it right.  Since his goal was to put Easter back where it belonged, he had to correct not to when the Julian calendar began, but to when the date of Easter was first adopted.  That happened at the council of Nicaea in 325 AD.  Since Gregory was certain that Constantine got it right in 325, there was no need to adjust by 13 days, only 10.

The conspiracy theorists were working from correct data.  They just weren’t working from ALL the data.

83 Responses to The Great Gregorian Calendar Conspiracy

  1. Jezebelle says:

    they not only fucked up 300 yrs on the calendar but they set us off 300 yrs meaning we are in the early 1700s

  2. Richg says:

    so does the calendar we will have to start wearing powdered wigs and dressing colonial style???

  3. Adrea says:

    Astronomers use the Julian calendar to calculate time backwards, gee I wonder why? Also, this explains the discrepancy with astrology! No one is born under the sign they think they are. No! the church would never want to hide something like that and keep it for themselves. It is not the biggest conspiracy of all time, it is the greatest loss of knowledge humanity has suffered. Prisca Theologia.

    • Maciej says:

      They don’t use Julian Calendar but Julian date.
      Julian Date (JD) or Julian Day Number (JDN) is the integer assigned to a solar day, starting with day number 0 assigned to January 1, 4713 BC – proposed by Joseph Scaliger in 1583. The day count starts at 12:00 noon UT (GMT). The Julian date for CE 2013 May 22 00:00:00.0 UT is JD 2456434.500000.

    • Leave all your negative comments to yourself if you don’t like it then don’t read it!

      • totallymady says:

        Really? What a fucking stupid response, excuse my language but how are you supposed to DEBATE if someone can’t give their opinion (or to you; a negative comment)

    • ako2x says:

      they don’t used Julian calendar,,, astronomers used the luni solar calendar of the old Hebrew…

  4. jojo says:

    Makes you think huh?

  5. Haha brilliant! 😉 Great information thanks!

  6. Fred Guido says:

    Pope Gregory XIII did not invent the Gregorian Calender you bean brains !! It was Luigio Lilio who created it after the Pope sent a decree to have the Julian Calender fixed because Easter was never falling on the right day. Luigi Lilio made the corrections but died before it was presented to the Pope at the reform commission. Instead his brother handed the compendium to the Pope and it was officially accepted several years later. This garbage that Pope Gregory invented the modern calender is just that, garbage !!

    • davidmhoffer says:

      When I pay someone to build a house, it is my house, I can call it what I want even if I didn’t pound a single nail. If you want to add to the conversation by pointing out additional detail, by all means. If you’re going to insult me, I’ll ban you. Be as angry as you wish.

    • Peter Harris says:

      Nowhere in this article does it say Gregory invented the calendar bean brain. He ordered its implementation, you probably think the Queen really does own all the HMPs in the UK lol

  7. It’s all a portion of the full-study. The magic really comes into view when one studies the Jewish/Mesopatamian Calendar before and after Noah’s Flood. Not that there’s any discrepancy in the sequential order that the Bible gives; there isn’t. But according to the Bible account, before the Flood when there was a Water Shield above, the months were exactly 30 days long.

  8. worldslastchance.com
    has some very interesting data and historical records about this calendar buisness.

  9. Robert Hayes Halfpenny says:

    OK here is a list of the leap years that can’t be divided by four hunderd: 100,200,300,500,600,700,900,1000,11000,1300,1400,1500. That is a total number of 12 TWELVE years What year is supposed to be the 13th “leap year”?

    • Simcha Feldman says:

      The 13th leap year can’t be year 0, for it is divisible by 400 and also it is before the year 325, still leaving 9 leap years extra between 325 and 1582. The problem wasn’t too many leap years in years divisible by 100 but not 400; instead it was too many leap years in general. In the 1257 years that passed between 325 and 1582 had 314 leap years. Based on Pope Gregory’s calendar, a solar year had .24218 extra days, or 304.42 days over the course of 1257 years. This is why he added ten days instead of nine.

      • davidmhoffer says:

        I just remembered the real reason to add 10 days instead of nine.
        One day occurs overnight. So, in order to create a 9 day skip in the calendar, one would have to change the calendar by 9 days on a single day. That would be even more confusing. So, they did the change “overnight” with the day that passed also needing to be erased, so 10 days in total.

      • Simcha Feldman says:

        That doesn’t explain why they skipped 10, only how they skipped 10.

  10. Robert Hayes Halfpenny says:

    I originally did consider”0″ but rejected it in that the A.D. years started with “1”. There was never, to the best of my memory, a year that was designated as “0”. But, if there was, then that year could be considered as a leap year. That would then mean when we got to the year 100, it would mark the start of the first century. (the “0” year would, I guess, be the start of the Zero century). Carrying the concept forward to thge present we would now be living in the Twentieth century and the Twentey First century would not start until the year 2100. It sort of boggles the mind—coesn’t it?

    Robert Hayes Halfpenny

    • dmh says:

      The Julian calendar actually “starts” in 45 BC.

      • Robert Hayes Halfpenny says:

        It has now taken me 13 day to respond to your comment. I had been down with the flu or the creeping crud, I know not which. Anyhow, irrespective of the Julian calendar starting in 45 BC, the counting of the years remained the same. I.e. 44;43;42…3;2;1 BC; 1 AD or 1 CE. The year “0” never actually occurred. The fact that it didn’t is the reason why we have always had to refer to our centuries as a number higher than the number we use to innumerate the years. I.e. 19xx years are referred to as the 20th century . Ergo 20xx years are referred to as the 21st century.
        ——————-
        You had stated that the first leap year was “0” which of course could not have been in that zero had not come into that sort of general usage. I guess it would however be reasonable to state that the year 1 BC could have been designated as the first of the 13 leap years
        ——————-
        While the logic may seem somewhat convoluted, it really is the only thing that seems to make sense. Happy New Year
        ——————-
        Robert Hayes Halfpenny

  11. davidmhoffer says:

    Robert,
    It has been a rather long time since I wrote this and my memory of the details is fuzzy, you may well be correct. I believe however that given that the problem lies in that the year 0 wasn’t the original year 0. It was another number. For sake of argument, let’s call it 45 and the next year 46. It was centuries later that the Christians adopted the calendar system, naming 46 as the “first year of our Lord” and henceforth what was 46 was now 1. But by that time, the calendar was already out by a day.

  12. Robert Hayes Halfpenny says:

    David,

    You called it correctly the first when you said the Julian calendar started in 45 BC.I believe that what was really meant by that is that holidays and feast days were being assigned to specific “days” of the year. At that time the year wasn’t as important as the specific date which, i guess was to coincide with the seasons of the year along with the phases of the moon and the sun etc. Since the BC years counted down to 1 BC, the year following would have to be 1 AD “(remembering that “0” was still not fully understood as being something more than just a “place holder”)
    —————
    It has just occurred to me that there was no such thing as BC years until we started counting AD years, starting with year 1 AD. That means someone had to figure out what to call all those years that came before 1 AD. Naturally, I think, they start with year 1 BC and counted backward to year 2 BC; 3 BC; etc. etc. etc. The Romans certainly didn’t know what the BC years would be until after the birth of Christ. I wonder how they even kept track of their own thousands of years of history?
    —————-
    Perhaps we should call a curse down upon Pope Gregory XIII for all the confusion he has caused.
    Actually I can’t do that in that i am a member of St Gregory’s Episcopal which is named after him. In fact, we supposedly have a fragment of one of his bones in the reliquarium of our alter. Am I becoming even more convoluted in my thinking or am I trying to emulate Diogenes as a “seeker of wisdom and truth”? Or, am I just full of it???

  13. Steven Abreu says:

    My Philosophy professor is having us answer some questions. “What year is this if we count 0 as the year in which Jesus Christ was reported to have been born?
    It is NOT 2013 !!!!!!
    What was the mistake? Who made it? When was the mistake made? Are there more or less years than 2013 since that birth? Do not count year zero as 1”

    I found this blog while looking for my answers. So would the correct answer be that Pope Gregory XIII caused the mistake in order to keep Easter from moving to late in the year? and the correct year we are in now would be in the 1700s? and the mistake he made was implementing the Gregorian calendar and taking off 10 days to keep Easter where it belongs?
    would appreciate any help 🙂

    • davidmhoffer says:

      Did you read the article?

    • Robert Hayes Halfpenny says:

      the problem was, and is, that the number zero (0) gets no respect. Initially it was thought of as a place holder, nothing more and nothing less. This concept I believe goes back to the Chinese, Indians, or Arabs. No one seem to understand that 0 is an actual number and it has a value. That value is in effect “nil”. We use the word “zero’ but we don’t seem to think of it as we do of “one, two, four, or seven”. When we start to count we all start with “one” 1. Properly we should all start with “zero” 0. Thus our real numbering system would reflect all the numbers that there are i.e. 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9. There are NO OTHER NUMBERS THAN THESE, PERIOD. Counting 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 does nothing more than relegate 0 to nothing more than a place holder.
      1————-1
      The fact of the matter is that the year 0 does in fact exist. In fact all we have to do is say that iit does. The only thing that would happen is that the BC years might get gypped out of one year, but who care? Remember the BC years were calculated AFTER we started the AD years. Carrying this thought to the logical conclusion, we would then refer to the 1st century as Zero century or the ‘ought Century. Sort of like our grandparents might have referred to the year 1908 as nineteen ‘ought eight—OK maybe great grandparents.
      Had this been done at the onset of the AD years the year 101 would not be considered the first year of the second century with the last year of the second century being 200. Instead the “ought century would have started in the year 0 and ended in the year 99. Carrying this thought forward to the current day the year 1999 would have been the last year of the 16th century and the year 2000 would be the start of the 20th century and doesn’t this all make so much more sense.
      2————2
      The funny thing about all this is that computer engineers have used only two numbers 0 and 1, that’s all. As I recall they basically refer to off and on or vice-versa. My personal opinion is that had we recognized 0 in what it truly was and is, a lot more kids might have done a lot better in their math classes—including me. The major problem with Roman Numerals, I V X L C D, is that they never had a O. Can you imagine writing our nation debt in Roman Numerals (assume the debt is stated with only the numbers 1 through 9 with an occasional 0 tossed in for good measure).
      3————3
      Let me know what you think and also your professor and class.

      Bob Halfpenny

      • ty says:

        is there a book or something where this is explained in laymans terms

      • Benjamin EasternEuropean says:

        You lost me at Gypped.. Without intent to insulting you, I would just suggest removing it from your vocabulary. You seem to be an very educated man, using the lingo of insult to a people can make you seem less intelligent. To put it into perspective – Doyou ever say someone “jewed” someone? You are in fact using a slur. Gypsies are real people with real history, and although my ancestral line may contain things of shame in the stereotype, I still hold a lot of pride in that part of my tree and what they went through to get my to the comfort of where my life exists now. Most people are unaware of the meaning of it, or the fact that it is a prejudice term.

    • Robert Hayes Halfpenny says:

      Steven,

      I guess I should have read David Hofer’s comment below, before I went into a rather long winded response about the year Zero etc. The simple answer to your question is regardless of any thing done in the past to the calendar this year is still 2013—NOTHING ELSE. Gregory should have put the year 0 into the calendar at the outset. This “error” can be corrected today with no effect to our current calendar.
      1——1
      The BC calendar was started only after the AD calendar was established. If the year “Zero” were now inserted, all it would really mean is that the BC years would have to be re-assigned new numbers. In other words 1BC would become 0 AD. 2 BC would become the new 1 BC. etc. etc. etc. You might want to read all the comments made about this topic, especially those made by David Hoffer and me.

      Bob Halfpenny

  14. The shallow insults are boring and illiterate. The bias and mean spirited attitudes are also “BORING”.
    Here is a thought about the calendar history.
    Why does Daniel 7:25 warn us about a power that would change the law and times? Why would it be changed? Why are the majority of the so-called churches totally unknowing about Leviticus 23?

    The creation calendar is and has been a very interesting history lesson etc.
    Most of the so-called holi-days on the gregorian calendar cannot be found in the scriptures?

    However Leviticus 23 does tell us about the holy convocations and when they are to still be observed?

  15. Jay blackbeard says:

    so the end of the world as predicted by the mayans and nostrodamus is still 300 years away. 🙂

  16. Jay blackbeard says:

    or if the Juliun calender started 45BC then the end of the world will be in another 40+ years 🙂

    • bob3443 says:

      You are getting hung up on the wrong thing. The Julian calendar didn’t start in 45 BC What the Pope basically did was to take the religious calendar of events back to the beginning of the cycle in order to establish the corrected order of new dates. Remember that all dates that are BC dates were assigned AFTER the “birth” of Christ. Remember BC years are counted down.to the birth of Christ and of course no one knew when that would actually happen.

      In actuality, the year should have been called 44 BC with the years counting down to the year “zero.” which in Roman numerals would look like “IOI” except sideways. Of course no roman number ever looked like that. since they didn’t have the number actually numerated. However, with our ordinal numerals the ZERO “0” should have been the very first AD number, this making the first ten years numbered as follows, 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9. The first century would have been the “Nil century” and the 1st century would have started with the year 100. This makes much more sense in that we wouldn’t be referring to this century as the 21st century but rather as the 20th century. Most idiots think the 21century started with the year 2000 but it in fact started with the year2001!!!

      This method of counting is more in keeping with the way computers actually work and actually makes much more sense t do it in this fashion. Originally, 0, zero, or nil was not very well understood, with most enlightened minds thinking that the zero was nothing more than a “place” holder. It was thought to have no value, but of course it does have a value which is “nil”. I hope this has made everything as clear as mud.
      Robert Hayes Halfpenny

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  19. bob3443 says:

    Thanks so much for your comments. Both David M. Hoffer (whom I don’t actually know) and I did a lot of “back and forth” in order to make some sense out of the calendar set up by pope Gregory XIII.

    The biggest issue really turned out to be nothing which is actually a very, very important something. That little “nothing” is in fact the number nil or zero or just plain “0”. It is my contention that we should change the Gregorian calendar to start with the year “0”, but without the quote marks. In “computereeeeze” the year would be written as 0000 and the last year of the century would therefor be 0099. The century would then be called the Nilst century or the Zeroeth century or the 0th century for short.. The First century would start with the year 100, which in computereeee (did I put in enough e’s?) would be 0100. Our current century would therefor have started with the year 2000 and be called the Twentieth (20th) century.

    Now you might ask where the year 0 came from, I didn’t just make it up you know. I stole from the ancient Romans, but who cares, they’ve been dead for a couple millenniums. However it would mean that that all the B.C. years would have to be renumbered. Since I B.C. has become 0A.D. (I don’t hold with the B.C.E./C.E. designations} That mean the year II B.C. would become I B.C. and the B.C. years would still be I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, only backwards.

    Robert Hayes Halfpenny

  20. Some historians insist that the creation calendar was the first, before the world had popes and pontificators. If the alignment of the Planets and spring equinox, starts the new year, then explain the need of the inventions of men?
    Here is a thought: The current man made calendar “FLOATS” , every year our birthdays are on a different day of the weak (week) of the PAGAN Gregorian man made calendar? Most all of the catholic protestant groups follow and keep roman holidays and time sequences?

    • Robert Hayes Halfpenny says:

      I think that somehow you are looking at the entire issue in a sort of (and please excuse the expression) ass-backwards fashion. First of all our calendar IS NOT “man made.” It is in fact made by nature and follows several absolutes. Among them are the length of a day, the length of a year, the divisions of the seasons and the various functions of the Moon.

      Pope Gregory, who happens to be the patron saint of my church (Episcopal), and is certainly not a PAGAN as you seem to imply, has done nothing more than apply “better mathematics” to the correct “keeping of time”. The correction of the Leap Year error makes perfect sense and this adjustment does place certain church holidays at the same time every year.

      The only correction NOT made is starting of the years of A.D. with the year 0 (zero). Should this ever be done, our century would be called the same number as we write, i.e.
      2013 would be in the 20th century NOT the 21st century. If you want to know where the year “0” comes from, it simply take over the year I B.C. as in I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, ETC. ETC. ETC. This mean year II would become the new year I. Also don’t worry about the Romans they never numbered their years like we do, so it would make no difference to them.

      Robert Hayes Halfpenny

      • Robert, you’ve made some interesting arguments, which, to most people, make a lot of sense. I agree that the number “0” is actually a NUMBER just like you do.
        But, allow me to make a “New Argument”, if that’s okay with you?

        First….let’s ELIMINATE BOTH “BC” & “AD”, and let’s use “Simple Math” that doesn’t require ANY NEGATIVE NUMBERS, which are very “Confusing” to most people.
        Let me add that “I’VE TAKEN THE SAME POINT OF VIEW AS YOU DO” on more occasions than I care to remember.

        Here’s an “EXAMPLE” of “Confusion” for most people…..
        If your “1st Birthday” comes THEY SAY YOU ARE 1 YEAR OLD, and so on, and so on.
        But, THAT’S NOT CORRECT!!
        In fact, YOU ARE IN YOUR “2nd YEAR”, BECAUSE 1 YEAR HAS ALREADY “PASSED”.
        That year NO LONGER EXISTS – it’s gone!!
        The “Correct Celebration Should Be > HAPPY 2nd YEAR”, not “Happy 1st Year”, as that year has ALREADY PASSED…..how can you celebrate what has already passed?
        It’s the same as saying “HAPPY NEW YEAR”, which is the CORRECT CELEBRATORY STATEMENT TO MAKE.
        So, since it’s a NEW YEAR, that means that “The Old year Doesn’t Exist Anymore”, and is INCORRECTLY CALLED “YOUR 1st BIRTHDAY”, because your 1st Birthday WAS THE DAY YOU WERE “BORN”…..the “Next One Is Now The SECOND BIRTHDAY”.

        I hope that is making some sense to you.

        But, here’s my REAL POINT…….
        I’m of the “Historical Opinion”, based on the Bible, that THE YEAR OF CREATION WAS 4032 BC….I’m only using “BC” to put it in “Context FOR YOU”.
        However, for me, IT WAS 6,048 YEARS AGO.
        I can go into how I came to that particular date if you’d like, and I’d be glad to do so if you request me to.

        Anyway…..starting at YEAR 4032 (BC),,,,** PLUS 2016 ** (Present Year) = 6,048 Years.

        Here’s what it would mean FOR THE BIRTH DATE OF JESUS…..
        It would be the next year AFTER 4032, which would be “4033”….this now EQUALS A “1” ADDED to the 4032 Years…..THERE IS “NO ZERO INVOLVED HERE”!!
        Now you can ADD 2015 MORE YEARS TO “4033”, AND YOU HAVE 6,048 YEARS, which is “OUR CURRENT BIBLICAL YEAR”.

        You said before that the “Calendars weren’t Man Made”….I can ASSURE YOU THAT THEY MOST CERTAINLY “ARE MAN MADE”!!!
        Because of all the “Different Calendars”, virtually NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE ACTUAL YEAR IS…..but, I use “GOD’S CALENDAR”, which comes from the Bible, which, if you can believe it, even the Hebrews MESSED UP.

        This is EQUIVALENT to the “HEBREW CALENDAR”, which is ALSO “MAN MADE”, which is why there’s a “272 Year Discrepancy” with the ACTUAL YEAR OF “6048”……they have the “Current Year At 5775”, and, in September will be “Rosh-Hashanah”, which is the ‘JEWISH NEW YEAR OF 5776’.
        Even the Hebrews LOST TRACK OF TIME, or, THEY STARTED RECORDING IT “LATER THAN IT ACTUALLY STARTED”, which is the most likely scenario.

        Sure you can use the “SOLAR & LUNAR EVENTS TO KEEP TIME”, but, God WARNED US NOT TO USE “ASTROLOGY”, FOR ANY REASON!!

        God’s Calendar is depicted throughout the entire Bible….such as “42 MONTHS” IN REVELATIONS, as well as “TIME, TIMES & HALF TIME”, as well as “1,260 DAYS”, as well as ” 3 1/2 Years “……..GOD IS “TELLING US HIS CALENDAR”, and “His Calendar” is a “360 Day Calendar Of 30 Days To Each Month”.

        It’s the “PERFECT 360 DEGREES”, THE PERFECT “ALPHA & OMEGA” (Which means the FIRST & the LAST)
        In a “CIRCLE”, which is ALWAYS 360 DEGREES, when you START AT THE BEGINNING (WHICH IS THE FIRST), AND YOU COME BACK TO THE END ( WHICH IS THE LAST), YOU’VE GONE 360 DEGREES….it’s MATHEMATICALLY PERFECT!!

        That’s why it is always best to “Listen To God & HIS TIMELINES”, instead of our OWN MAN MADE TIMELINES, which only leaves EVERYONE “OBVIOUSLY CONFUSED”, as depicted in this entire conversation.

        Thanks for taking the time to read this!
        ~ Jerry (Doc) Mitchell ~

  21. DECEPTION AND BRAINWASHING GO HAND IN HAND, OBVIOUSLY HALFPENNIES IS A CRITIC AND SELF MADE HISTORIAN OF SOME SORTS. THEIR IS A LOT TO BE SAID ABOUT THE PONTIFICATORS CHURCH? YHWH.

    • bob3443 says:

      I really must object to the ad hominem comments you have made about me. I have said or done nothing that would qualify me as a critic. Also, I am in no way a self made historian. When I was in college I did major in English and minor in History and have been a history buff most of my life.

      Robert Hayes Halfpenny

  22. dmh says:

    Dennis, yelling and insulting someone adds nothing to the discussion. As for your rant upthread, please, don’t be silly. The calendar is set at one year to coincide with the earth’s orbit. Since the number of days in a year is not evenly divisible by the number of days in a week, your bday of course falls on a different day from one year to the next.

    • bob3443 says:

      David, Thank you so much for the defense. I think this is the first time I’ve had someone attempt to get nasty with me concerning this issue, although I know you had someone go after you quite a while back. To correct Dennis Stickney’s error and for the record my name becomes possessive by adding ” s’ or ‘s ” to Halfpenny NOT “ies”. Also do you have any idea as to what Stickney means by PONTIFICATORS CHURCH or YHWH?

      Bob

      • dmh says:

        No idea, not worth your time or mine to try and figure it out. If he has something to contribute fine, if he continues with the ad hominem stuff, well, my blog, my rules, snip, snip, snip.

  23. bob3443 says:

    I went back a ways and saw he does seem to have a bit of an attitude problem. Thanks again for the back up.

    Bob

  24. paul says:

    New to all this so can some one please tell me if the Gregorian Calendar is Actually 8 years ahead or moved 8 yrs ahead of the Old calendar ???

    • bob3443 says:

      Paul the only real change to the calendar was the elimination of 11days from the month of September in the year 1752. The reason for this was to correct the original error of making every 4th year a leap year. As we know today, leap years fall in years that are evenly divided by 4 and centennial years evenly divisible by 400.

      Also, if you should notice something about the Church going back to the year 45BC to determine when holidays should fall, has nothing at all to do with adding years to our calendar. This was done for the sole purpose to keep Easter occurring in the Spring and not “floating” to a date sometime in the summer. In adjusting Easter all the other holidays also fell into line.

      I do have a personal preference in seeing the year 1B.C. being changed to the year 0A.D. If you read my other comments in this discussion you will see my reasons really do make sense.

      Robert Hayes Halfpenny

      • Robert, you’ve made some interesting arguments, which, to most people, make a lot of sense. I agree that the number “0” is actually a NUMBER just like you do.
        But, allow me to make a “New Argument”, if that’s okay with you?

        First….let’s ELIMINATE BOTH “BC” & “AD”, and let’s use “Simple Math” that doesn’t require ANY NEGATIVE NUMBERS, which are very “Confusing” to most people.
        Let me add that “I’VE TAKEN THE SAME POINT OF VIEW AS YOU DO” on more occasions than I care to remember.

        Here’s an “EXAMPLE” of “Confusion” for most people…..
        If your “1st Birthday” comes THEY SAY YOU ARE 1 YEAR OLD, and so on, and so on.
        But, THAT’S NOT CORRECT!!
        In fact, YOU ARE IN YOUR “2nd YEAR”, BECAUSE 1 YEAR HAS ALREADY “PASSED”.
        That year NO LONGER EXISTS – it’s gone!!
        The “Correct Celebration Should Be > HAPPY 2nd YEAR”, not “Happy 1st Year”, as that year has ALREADY PASSED…..how can you celebrate what has already passed?
        It’s the same as saying “HAPPY NEW YEAR”, which is the CORRECT CELEBRATORY STATEMENT TO MAKE.
        So, since it’s a NEW YEAR, that means that “The Old year Doesn’t Exist Anymore”, and is INCORRECTLY CALLED “YOUR 1st BIRTHDAY”, because your 1st Birthday WAS THE DAY YOU WERE “BORN”…..the “Next One Is Now The SECOND BIRTHDAY”.

        I hope that is making some sense to you.

        But, here’s my REAL POINT…….
        I’m of the “Historical Opinion”, based on the Bible, that THE YEAR OF CREATION WAS 4032 BC….I’m only using “BC” to put it in “Context FOR YOU”.
        However, for me, IT WAS 6,048 YEARS AGO.
        I can go into how I came to that particular date if you’d like, and I’d be glad to do so if you request me to.

        Anyway…..starting at YEAR 4032 (BC),,,,** PLUS 2016 ** (Present Year) = 6,048 Years.

        Here’s what it would mean FOR THE BIRTH DATE OF JESUS…..
        It would be the next year AFTER 4032, which would be “4033”….this now EQUALS A “1” ADDED to the 4032 Years…..THERE IS “NO ZERO INVOLVED HERE”!!
        Now you can ADD 2015 MORE YEARS TO “4033”, AND YOU HAVE 6,048 YEARS, which is “OUR CURRENT BIBLICAL YEAR”.

        You said before that the “Calendars weren’t Man Made”….I can ASSURE YOU THAT THEY MOST CERTAINLY “ARE MAN MADE”!!!
        Because of all the “Different Calendars”, virtually NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE ACTUAL YEAR IS…..but, I use “GOD’S CALENDAR”, which comes from the Bible, which, if you can believe it, even the Hebrews MESSED UP.

        This is EQUIVALENT to the “HEBREW CALENDAR”, which is ALSO “MAN MADE”, which is why there’s a “272 Year Discrepancy” with the ACTUAL YEAR OF “6048”……they have the “Current Year At 5775”, and, in September will be “Rosh-Hashanah”, which is the ‘JEWISH NEW YEAR OF 5776’.
        Even the Hebrews LOST TRACK OF TIME, or, THEY STARTED RECORDING IT “LATER THAN IT ACTUALLY STARTED”, which is the most likely scenario.

        Sure you can use the “SOLAR & LUNAR EVENTS TO KEEP TIME”, but, God WARNED US NOT TO USE “ASTROLOGY”, FOR ANY REASON!!

        God’s Calendar is depicted throughout the entire Bible….such as “42 MONTHS” IN REVELATIONS, as well as “TIME, TIMES & HALF TIME”, as well as “1,260 DAYS”, as well as ” 3 1/2 Years “……..GOD IS “TELLING US HIS CALENDAR”, and “His Calendar” is a “360 Day Calendar Of 30 Days To Each Month”.

        It’s the “PERFECT 360 DEGREES”, THE PERFECT “ALPHA & OMEGA” (Which means the FIRST & the LAST)
        In a “CIRCLE”, which is ALWAYS 360 DEGREES, when you START AT THE BEGINNING (WHICH IS THE FIRST), AND YOU COME BACK TO THE END ( WHICH IS THE LAST), YOU’VE GONE 360 DEGREES….it’s MATHEMATICALLY PERFECT!!

        That’s why it is always best to “Listen To God & HIS TIMELINES”, instead of our OWN MAN MADE TIMELINES, which only leaves EVERYONE “OBVIOUSLY CONFUSED”, as depicted in this entire conversation.

        Thanks for taking the time to read this!
        ~ Jerry (Doc) Mitchell ~

  25. jewish calendar says:

    We r really in the year 5774

  26. dennis says:

    Dr. Halfpenny:
    Please inform us about the Julian calendar, if it was a eight (8) day calendar or like the gregorian calendar a seven day calendar– so the saturday folks could brag about the seventh day being the sabbath on the gregorian calendar? History soon will be repeated— is the final and last INQUISITION ongoing– now, today ?

  27. Bob Dobbs non-genius says:

    Hum.. So why is the Jewish calenader, which is known for accuracy, missing approximately 240 years when compared to the Gregorian calendar? Seems to me this little issue like so many things is always lost when this rare discussion arises. And why has so much information on this ” crazy theory” disappeared from the Internet, or at least Google searches? Oops not attempting to get another conspiracy theory started, no really. Just asking obvious questions. I do recall my ex girlfriend was taught something about added time of around two hundred years to the calenader but it was in the 1600’s not the 600’s she recalls this as well. Interesting. What is going on with this theory that seems to have caused a victim of time, well at least one, the Jewish calendar, for you can find site after site on that, and it leads back to this added years theory, however I can find this one article rehashed and some almost word for word rather easy, but to find one site that gives more in depth detail into the theory or even a person writing an article that supports it, I can not seem to find. So though I doubt anyone will respond to this dead thread, and though my questions are not scientific lol, they are still important questions. Hum… This whole theory, or as it were cariculum my ex had in her university has always left a strange gut feeling a catch, one I am still unable to define, I have not subscribed to either side, for both are lacking honest and unwavering proof.

    • OK! Though this may be a “dead thread” I am very much alive. As to the couple hundred years added to the calendar in the 1600’s or 600’s. If you simply go to a perpetual calendar for all the years of 1600 through 1699. I don’t believe you will find any added years. Check out a millennial calendar and you will find just 2000years in each calendar, not 2200 years. What is true and you may find interesting is that the calendar for September 1752, goes 1 2——-14 15 16 17 etc. to 30. These day were eliminated to correct for 11 centennial leap years that should not have been counted. Only leap years devisable by 400 get to be counted. Therefor the years 100. 200, 300.500, 600, 700, etc. ARE NOT to be counted as leap years. The funny thing is that there are actually 13 years that were counted as leap years yet they only eliminated 11 years—very interesting?!?!?!?!?!?!

      Any other questions just make a post to this addy and I will probably respond.

      Robert Hayes Halfpenny

      • Therefor the years 100. 200, 300

        Since the date for Easter was set at the Council of Nicaea in 335, and that date was considered already correct going forward, there was no need to adjust for the years previous, ie 100, 200, 300.

    • Adrea says:

      Read the brilliant Mathematician Anatoly Fomenko’s books called “History: Fact or Science”, if you’re lucky you may be able to still find a few free copies on the net. But it’s not like math is logical or anything like that. and yes, the information is being bleached from the net because the implications are a game changer.

  28. Ruddy Man says:

    I am so totally amused at the length the Devil goes to deceive people. Has anyone really ever seen a quarter day? I didn’t think so.

  29. There is no such thing as a quarter day, it is simply an acknowledgement that the Earth takes 365day and a little more than 6 hours to make a complete circle around the Sun. At the end of four years 24+ hours will have accumulated and we can then add the 29th day to February!

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  32. regus says:

    so at the end of all this….what is the actual date….haha….today being…..24/6/15

  33. Gregory G. Castro says:

    there should be 29 days in a non leap year and 30 in a leap year

  34. Gregory G. Castro says:

    but not in 7008 everybody will be seniors that’s short for senior citizens everybody will be over 5000 years old please do it sooner because everybody will die before then please make it in 2032

    • Dora says:

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  35. sherman says:

    So Wat year is it then if it not 2015 pls I would like to know

  36. donna lowe says:

    i’m certainly no mathematician or scientist. Far from it! As a matter of fact, numbers have always confused me and i suppose i’ll bear that shame until the end of my days. however, when i recently watched Peter Padget comment during The Bases Conference, that the year 2012 has not yet occurred, it fully resonated with my soul. It made a great deal of sense to me, though i can’t begin to explain it. I honestly do not know any other way to put it. I was raised Catholic and being of a rather suspicious nature, i’m quite aware the Vatican is all too capable of deception regarding humans and our hidden history. Considering the Julian and Gregorian calendars, i found the gentleman Peter Padget’s comment to be justifiable. At least enough for serious thought and debate. I too, would very much like to know what year it is!! As a true lover of history, I am dismayed to no end at the lies we’ve been told by the so called “establishment”. I do not believe for one second that I am the only person who desires to know our real history.

  37. Deborah Coffy says:

    This is bull

  38. Lucy Robinson says:

    What happened to the lost days? Where did they go? If time is a construct and continual how can you make time in days disappear? Had they adjust science to support the lost time. How could this have been possible. What gave them the power to change time for the whole wold and powers. Why did the whole world agree to the changes.

    • davidmhoffer says:

      The calendar changed, not the days. Read the article again.

    • Simply stated, they realized that the quarter turn the Earth takes to complete a year was not EXACTLY 6 HOURS. It was in fact 6 hours, several minutes, and several seconds. They were just correcting the accumulation of the minutes and seconds. They also corrected those years that were in fact NOT leap years. by removing them from the calendar. The easiest way to understand this to observe that the longest day and the longest night always falls on or about the same days every year.

      • Ramon says:

        You guys are very intelligent with big juicy brains and everything but what I really want to know can someone in the simple answer just answer me please what year are we really in what number that is all I want to know please thank you

      • davidmhoffer says:

        Based on which calendar?
        There are as many answers as there are calendars, and there are many of them.

  39. Rob says:

    The next new moon in a few days will commence the year 5989 by the only calendar that matters.

  40. Rob says:

    A discussion of history, sure. In twelve years, the 6,000 years appointed for man to wreak his havoc and do his foul work on this planet, will end. At that same time, 70 “jubilees” will conclude since the first cycle began. 2,000 years will have passed since the death and resurrection of the Messiah. A “generation” of “jubilees” will have passed since the chosen people were cast out of their land and Jerusalem destroyed. 3.5 “times” will have passed since the angel told Daniel in the year 3480 that the wise would understand the times and the wicked would not.

    The only rational ‘side’ to this discussion is the one which can be proven mathematically…and the triangulation of prophesied events clearly shows which calendar matters…to the exclusion of others. We know the others deceive.

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